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I’m just starting out and realized that what I’m doing might be contradictory because I want to DIY it but I also want to be serious about it as a religion and I want to use it to meet short term goals and self-improvement but I also see it as not something I can walk away from at any time or should be able to just walk away from. I’m wondering if it’s possible to have the best of both worlds or as the saying goes ‘have your cake and eat it too’ or is that cheating. Also if the spectrum has to do with how new or recent something is to you. Like you automatically fall within the less serious side of the spectrum as you’re first starting out.

Yes, it's very difficult for people interested in learning about witchcraft as a practice, to find anything not tainted by Wiccan viewpoints. Or not written by or videoed by non Wiccans. And If it not Wiccan, it's tainted with Judeo-Christian mythos. Puck, the devil, Lilith, blah, blah blah.

Hi I messaged you via website I'm having problems with forming the Taurus glyph with my fingers as instructed on page 57 of Taurus Witch I'm doing what it says but I ain't ending up with anything that looks Taurus 😂 any help would be great ♥️

Loved this conversation and the music analogy!! 💗

I have found myself often using the music metaphor (or drawing/painting) as well, but it's often been used as 'If you want professional level guitar skills, you have to put in the work to get them.' I also think it's okay to learn some cowboy chords to play along at get-togethers, and never progress beyond that, if it's what you're satisfied with. But I have met a lot of people who want the professional-level rewards and praise without having to put in the work to get there. I know that some of us live in cultures that promote turning every hobby into a side-hustle, but maybe we should also promote learning to be satisfied with the results of the work you're willing to put into something. Anyway, really excellent video and good food for thought.

The problem is not the kreators but all the fakes that pretend to be them. When someone like myself is watching witchy vids on socials for info and a from of release. Good vibes. Then a fake DMs and asks what ever they ask. Tossing out half of why im there. And how are we as consumers to know fake from real when fakes have gotten very good.

I started reading your first book and totally fell off. I’ve got to get back with it. I’ve started small by cleaning my house very thoroughly and organizing things in a way so my home won’t be so distracting that I can’t focus on my practice. I really want to find a coven, but I have found that I have lots of things to learn until I do. Thank you so much for your books and videos, they have been so helpful.

In the early 90s, I sought out the witch community in a tiny little building near the Mississippi river. That coven was nice but never my vibe and so I’ve been solitary and seeking ever since. My only community was ever online (shoutout AOL and BBS and Yahoo group communities)and it has been very challenging to feel part of a community in the last 10 or so years. Everything is clicky and like seeking instead of community building. Thank you for saying this.

Hi :) how to prepare a "seat for the spirit" that we would like to take home with us from the forest? :D I woke up the "green devil" because I was looking for help, and I still need it but in my house I don't want to imprison and catch my "forest fairy" into a trap it's hard to expect help from someone you're imprisoned How do You think we can prepare the "carriage" in which our spiritual ally will come to our home with us?and stay? a bottle left after wormwood vodka(with wormwood and other ingredients still inside)? or maybe green obsydian? But how to make the forest spirit want to live inside remaining free, not imprisoned ? I still don't have the skills to see and hear spiritual beings, I have to rely on my witch friends, but for some time now when I went to the forest to a spring with incense and alcohol, emerald dragonfly appears more and more often near me wherever I go, When I'm at home she flies next to the trees, and when I go to sleep I dream that I'm eating cigars and drinking absinthe :D because cigars were one of the incense offered in the forest spring :> Two days ago a young fox sat down in front of the entrance to my house, and I sat in front of him and we looked at each other :) in the afternoon, when lots of people were in front of their houses in their gardens He lay down on the grass as if he were at own home, like a tamed dog, he sat down as if waiting for someone to throw a stick we were just two meters away :D Next day I bought for him some chicken hearts,of course he ate all but no one knows when although we kept watch to see him again,in the blink of an eye, we suddenly realized that hearts under the trees were gone but no one saw when red-haired guy come and go :) MAGIK!! in the forest and in practice :D Do what you willo-the-wisp

Thorn, i just adore this video! You spoke to so many topics that I had never completely articulated, even to myself. Your take on all these topics will definitely influence how I speak to people about the online world of witchcraft and other areas. Thank you so much for taking the time to create this!💜

this was such a comforting video. I'll likely leave 2 more comments for each part lol. i was born 1990. its grounding to hear how there were toxic listservs and the itch to be taken seriously and how that got under your skin. it's terrible and yet im going through the same thing, different details. and it just reminds me how stupid it all is. the striving. i did finally give up the ghost of a personal brand and it's such a relief. i had internet back when it was the only place i could find weird friends too. those days are really over huh. such a loss. i was lucky enough to make friends on IG and we're now on private discord. it drove me mildly insane how i was trying so hard to form friendships the way i did so easily on myspace and tumblr, and it just wasnt happening. and this is why. the platforms shifted. it's true the advanced stuff is now in private conversation. i follow interrobang tarot and they finally opened a discord server and OMG. meaty divination discussion that is having me try new things. i am obsessed with the innovation that happens in personal practice and when we just share as friends and not occult professionals. none of us are viral, and it means we're being our whole selves.

How does that mug not poke you in the eyes? Love Hawk

Thorn ,Money is a part of Christianity...look at the Megachurches

Cat mug A+ Perspective A+ As a self taught (I read a bunch of religious and esoteric texts, poetry, DnD, White wolf games...) until I had a pretty significant, really life altering breakthrough... Which is when I made contact with (various deities) and became suddenly are, also kinda remembered that there are spirit, like, everywhere. i could even kinda suss out like, intentions? I think thats accurate enough, anyway, that was a little over a year ago, I've learned a lot from the spirit and (deities) and UA-cam videos, my life has changed in a number of amazing ways and goals I thought impossible have become events I anticipate in the future. Im not a super witch/wizard/magus or anything, I can still barely if at all understand or talk to most of the unseen forces but I have some stalwart companions on the other side who grant me peace and strength and I love them I could write a million words, anyway~ I dont consider myself self taught anymore, there are so many amazing teachers relevant to my practice on UA-cam (of all things) and I dont social media so I never even perceive these conflicts even though I follow and appreciate people with wildly different perspectives at times. I acknowledge Im likely pretty mentally i but I live in California so Im more likely to be murdered in the street by the local sheriff than receive mental help, so why not try magic?

Thank you for making this video! I found it very affirming. In the late '90s, several elders told me that I was not actually Wiccan-though I self-identified as such-because my conception of Wicca was not specifically religious. After studying both Wicca and ancient pagan traditions, I had concluded that while the gods were certainly important (as were other types of spirits such as the Fae and ancestors), they were not the central aspect of Wicca. In my view, the development of the spiritual faculties is far more critical than a witches prayer life. It is this development that enables contact with other planes of existence, and make practices such as "Drawing Down the Moon" (the invoking of the goddess on behalf of the coven) possible. I reasoned that this spiritual and personal development was of primary importance to the gods, rather than any overt worship we, as witches, might offer. This perspective did not sit well with other members of the community, which, at the time, was drifting towards a primarily religious orientation. An idea that was often expressed during this period was that Wicca, even traditions like eclectic Wicca, was primarily a religion and need not involve any actual practice of magic. I left the community shortly after these events and have practiced as a solitary ever since. I still consider myself a witch, or at least a sorceress, but it has been a long time since I worked specifically with a god or goddess. Instead, I focus on my own self-development, practicing tarot, meditation, mediumship, and, as far as my abilities allow, astral projection. Rituals and spells are another aspect of the craft that I have mostly ignored, but I hope to restart my practice, as regular ritual work can be extremely beneficial in many areas. Anyhow, thank you for acknowledging that there is space for my perspective in witchcraft, if not necessarily Wicca. This is the first video I've watched on your channel, but I look forward to exploring more of your content soon.

There's the Garden/Kitchen witch all the way to Völva (practicing seiðr with also involves cannabis, henbane, and other mind altering substances). There are levels that people aren't built for. And that's perfectly fine.

what are the festivals you go to? I would love to meet more magic ppl T_T

Good to see you. Missed you. You always have great insight.

Often "witchcraft" comes across to me as "much ado"... about nothing specific. Lots of blah blah blah. Yeah this video just inspired me to turn the devices OFF. I'm so rich I don't have an accountant. Okay Thanks. I'm going to go out in nature today. I must.

I've been thinking about this too. I came up with a 'layers of the onion' kind of idea. I've slowly, and especially recently, started to morph from practice to religion: it means, things are more meaningful and in a wider, deeper sense, than before. Everything comes together more. I'm super grateful for that in my life nowadays. Turns out I always was, on this path☺️🌹

What kind of witch are you?

Do you have a coven there one can try to join?

Oooh, this is really interesting.

i do see how a new witch can get overwhelmed by the labels and think this is what it's about, especially with how social media orients witchcraft. i think it's more accurate if people would see these subcategories as "subjects" or "topics" within the broader exploration of being a seeker. in which case i love hearing from witches who practice what i dont. but i have curated a community of specifically queer chaotes cuz that's my vibe. these are the people whose magic i most resonate with. and among us, some of us have extra specialties in herbs or spirits. i think it is super fun to learn which specialties any witch has, what comes easy and what doesnt. i admit with the rise of eclectic secular witchcraft, wiccan is not cool among the kids lol. sorry thorn. i absolutely LOVE all your works because of your academic approach and how you've been able to contextualize all the noise through major authors and history. but im one of those people who didnt want to do the wiccan reed. 😂😂 but your content has shown me how much eclectic witchcraft starts with a wiccan base!! so even tho we try to distance ourselves, we have not succeeded. so i watch your wiccan stuff to see the overlap with my practice. and i really love the coven work you do because eventually that's what i want but with chaos magicians. not exclusively chaos, but because sigils and gnosis are my raw materials and starting alphabet

Great thought provoking video ✨

I really enjoyed this. You have been missed. I know I don't interact with you much here or on your patreon, but I am always glad to get your insights wisdom here and in your wonderful writings. :)

I disagree, respectfully. I don't think that a witch that is dancing naked on the forest with her coven 7 days of the week is more witch then I am. That is a catholic concept in my eyes. Someone is more pious because they are more involved in the eyes of the comunity. Witchcraft for me is my first nature. I can do magic as unconciously as I breath. I hold my tradicions as naturaly asI brush my teeth. I don't like organized religion and I don't like to share my practices. Am my less of a witch? Spectrum inherintly is a scale from less to more. Witchcaft is never a chore to me, feels more like a mother's Embrace. It is never forced and never institucionalized. My tradicion came from the women from my family tru generations. Am I less of a witch? Are we having hierarchy in the craft now? Just like church? Really?

I definitely view witchcraft as more practice than religion (or at least, it can be either or), and this is such a great and nuanced conversation to bring up.

Don’t care about hair and makeup. Spectrum… everyone’s human experience creates an individual experience. I feel my 35ish years of practice (starting in middle school) is a constant journey. Being open to new ideas/perspectives invites others voices into sacred space for me. I used to be a teacher of young children and raised two children who are now adults. I notice that I learn a lot “from the mouths of babes”. Trying to understand how the energy can be shifting according to Mama Earth or Goddess/God evolution… Sacredness of Creation… I believe human spirituality with a relationship to the elements is constantly changing. Thank you with much appreciation!!! 💜💜💜

Witchcraft as a spectrum, is a great metaphor. I think I struggle less with where I sit on this spectrum compared to other practitioners, and struggle more with where I sit compared to my own expectation of what my practice should look like or be (although, I likely have some comparison trap to shadow work, in there). Thank you for bringing this up, its helping me reflect on my practice and revisit my own expectations on myself.

I see magic the same way I see time, or dimensions, or the marvel universe.lol. This is very much the spider web. Where if you turn left you went One direction and got into Celtic Wicca European traditions alexandrian and gardenerian. Or instead you turn right and got into Egyptian alchemy Golden Dawn Masonic traditions. Or you looked up your family history and found out you're one tenth Cherokee and decided to become an Indian shaman. In the 80s solitary witchcraft was very big and then you got people telling you you weren't a real magician if you weren't in a coven or a circle. It all depends on what you need and what you're willing to put out there.😊

First, I highly approve of the cat mug. Love a good cat mug. Second, spectrum might be an imperfect analogy for the vast variety of witchcraft, but it’s as good as any. Myself, personally, when I want to understand my own witchhood, I first define the word “witchcraft” itself. Like “witch” and “craft” - what do those words mean? Put them together - what does that word mean? How deep do I need to dig into word origins to get a sense of the term’s meaning? So after a bunch of years thinking about it, I decided that, to me, “witchcraft,” based on the concepts of “witch” and “craft,” is the practice of applied wisdom (“wisdom” being a deeper level of understanding than “knowledge.”) To me, a witch is someone who seeks to understand how life and the universe work, and then does stuff with what they learn. What they do with it is entirely up to them, whether it’s religious, secular, practical, therapeutic, whatever. If a person does the stuff without working on cultivating wisdom, then I’d say they’re doing what most of us do every day - practicing music, art, cooking, sports, whatever, without it being a career or vocation. On that end of the spectrum, magic is something that improves a person’s quality of life but is not foundational to their life. Some people might call that “casual,” but I don’t go for that much cubbyholing. Obviously, this means that, for me personally, practicing magic or spell work, by itself, doesn’t make a person a witch, just like being able to play 10 different pieces on the piano doesn’t make a person a pianist. So for me, all the millions of people who keep books of shadows or put protective charms on their homes or cast spells for career success are all valid and fine, but they’re not necessarily witches. They can be, but they don't necessarily have to be. Just doing that stuff doesn't automatically call for the title of "witch." On the opposite end of the spectrum, if a person cultivates the wisdom but not the craft, then they’re a mystic, not a witch. Between the poles of a person who uses magic but isn’t a witch and a person who pursues wisdom but isn’t a witch, you have the whole variety of everything that is and can be witchcraft, all of which depends entirely on the intention and life path of the person doing the stuff. In other words, it is the person who determines if a practice is or is not witchcraft. Witchcraft is magic done by a witch. Again, this is just my personal viewpoint. And in terms of how we should relate to each other on this vast, wide-ranging, branching and meandering spectrum - I dunno, maybe we could mind our own business? Spend more time being witches and less time comparing and criticizing each other? Just a thought. Full disclosure: I’m a solitary, eclectic, animist witch. I've been on a witch path for about 40 years. My practice is about my relationships with spirits, not other witches, so I really don’t care how anyone else does their things. It’s not my place to either judge or approve of anyone else’s way of being in life. If I get into a conflict with anyone, it’s not going to be about whether they’re witching right.

Always a pleasure to listen to you reflect on witchcraft (and to read your books!). For my part, I believe that there is a big difference between ''religious perspective'' and ''spiritual perspective''. I observe that all religions sort and prioritize beliefs in order to establish a very specific framework of life and collective morality for its followers. In a ''spiritual perspective'', there is not this systemic rigidity of the ''religious perspective''. And I am one of those rebellious, individual and wild witches who are insubordinate to all attempts to systematize, supervise or collectivize their beliefs or their practice. For me, witchcraft is a direct spiritual link between the witch and the global energies in our universe. And the universe itself resists any attempt at restriction... I believe that this rebellious freedom is at the source of witchcraft, but witchcraft has this wonderful thing that it can also be realized in a ''religious perspective'', according to the needs of each practitioner. So no matter the perspective, the most relevant will always be the one that works for the witch, and if it works for the witch, passing judgment on her approach is useless. In conclusion, if witchcraft is a spectrum, it is also because it is above all...freedom.

The concept of a spectrum always seems so limiting for anything to do with the human experience. I prefer the idea of a constellation; you are a structure stars that make up your preferences, and you orient that structure in time and place to create an image for a particular audience. Using your music metaphor to illustrate: your family background could have you playing Polish polka on the accordion at every family gathering much to the delight of your babushka, while you may be a trained pianist playing Chopin in concert halls, but when hanging out smoking weed with your friends you jam Jimi Hendrix on your guitar. You do not tell your babushka about Jimi Hendrix, and co-workers give you the side eye about polka, but you find joy in multiple genres with different settings. Witchcraft could be the same way for a lot of people. A video you did some years back talked about the importance of having your own practice separate from your group's work. What you do privately can include different worship, actions, and goals. Even a different cosmology than shared with a group. If it works, rock on!

I’ve been practicing witchcraft for as long as I can remember (over 45 years now), it being part of my family’s culture. I would recommend for those who are questioning, exploring or are new to the practice to read the history of witchcraft (starting in the pre-christian era). It may help you define your beliefs. There are an incredible amount of books readily available these days than there were over 45 years ago.

I really like your comparison with being/becoming a musician! As a self-taught DIY punk/rock guitarist & songwriter in a (witchy!) band, that's also how I approach my witchcraft: from a very DIY and explorative perspective, not needing to be perfect, and not needing to follow a specific tradition, even though like I find different kinds of music styles super interesting, I'm also interested in and open to different approaches, practices, and traditions in witchcraft.

EXCELLENT video. Every thought you had; every word you chose - TRUTH. I really enjoyed this video and I haven’t seen you in a while! Still beautiful as always. Thank you for your message. I’ll definitely be sharing this video with others. Wow. Great job!

Be a Legend of the place. Undisputable legend.

Do I need to nail this like Dan Carter? ;;)

OMG the goddamned Mists of Avalon got me as a young christian girl and my imagination has never been the same. Ironically, I wasn't allowed to watch Harry Potter because of the witchcraft, but Mists of Avalon was loosely based around history so totally ok. :)

I love your cat mug! 🐱 I like your perspective on this and the music metaphor. I think maybe it depends on our own personal definitions of “spectrum.” I don’t see it as a “spectrum” but more like an “umbrella”. Kind of like… say… woodworking. You can either be a basic whittler, or you can create furniture, or you can be master craftsman who creates ornate mouldings for high end houses. They are all woodworkers just with different focuses. A whittler can be a master in their craft just like the person who creates those ornate mouldings. I think of witchcraft the same way. Each person just has a different focus under the “witch umbrella.” Some focus on the “religion”, others focus on the more secular or practical. Of course… “practical” can be subjective to the individual practitioner.

8:08 I think this is do to a broad use of language. What most Religious Wiccan mean when they say the "don't do magick" they mean is they don't practice spells or enchant objects or made amulets in their daily lives outside of their Religious Rituals. All religious rituals involve magickal operations, Transmutation, Blessing, which is a form of enchantment, Purification, Banishings... etc. But they are not Witchcraft in because in this framework, Witchcraft of well a Craft first and foremost. So, you can do magick without being a witch or practicing witchcraft. And you can be a Witch without involving Religious Practice. But both Religion and Witchcraft involve occult, divine, magickal power and influences. At least that's what I think.

Speaking of festivals Tom Swiss and I were talking at FSG last week about how we have not seen you there for a while. FSG is under new management now and is greatly improved. Your concept of witchcraft as a spectrum is interesting, perhaps mapping the various practices / traditions on a multi (four?) axis chart given their respective attributes would be illustrative?

If I had the the money to study magical related or magical adjacent studies I would love to attend Ronald Hutton's history courses at the University of Bristol. I would do it just for pleasure and the personal gratification of learning more than I know now. British Folklore and British pre Christian Paganism? Sign me up!!!

Wait. Was there an edit in a Thorn Mooney video? Lol I'm so excited for your new book!

I look at it this way: Uncle Gerald was an uninhibited opportunist who accidentally invented a great idea. Good enough for me!

I tend to look at it this way: Uncle Gerald was an uninhibited opportunist who accidentally invented a great idea. Good enough for me.

I loved this topic and the extended music metaphor. I think it encourages research and discussion if the participants in the discussion are mature and open to learning. I do think there is room for secular and religious Witchcraft. And it really doesn't need my belief or approval. It already exists side by side anyway. The variety is exciting to me. I makes me glad that it isn't stagnant.

I really enjoyed this conversation. I discovered witchcraft during the pandemic; I’ll be 100% honest-I was depressed and bored, and binge watching the Chilling Adventures of Sabrina and thought, “you know what? That looks cool.” And then I went down the rabbit hole of researching witchcraft and magic and reading books and watching videos, and all that fun stuff. I first started identifying as a Wiccan because I read a lot of outdated books and I really resonated with the values they presented in their texts (Cunningham, Buckland, Valiente, etc.) But, it also didn’t quite sit right with me either. In 2022, I took the level one course with the Temple of Witchcraft and that really helped me contextualize a lot of my own beliefs and values, but it also helped me actually dip my toes in the water and practice witchcraft. I experimented, and I journaled. My BOS turned from me just copying down things from books to a magical journal with reflections on my beliefs, values, experiments, and results from the practices I was doing. I just identify as a witch now, but I never really felt like I “left Wicca” in the way a lot of UA-camrs make videos about. I just was trying out labels, and I’m still exploring. For me, witchcraft is about bringing joy into my life and connecting with the divine and other spirits. I’m autistic and the ritual aspect of witchcraft has helped me a lot each day. I don’t really talk with others about my beliefs because they’re very personal to me. I also think it can be unhelpful to think of an imagined audience when you practice. I definitely think of witchcraft as a spectrum, and I think people should just let people be and also not do so much fear mongering either! I swear a lot of the people that are like “YOU NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL WITH…” x,y,z, remind me of my evangelical mother saying a Ouija board will sell your soul to the devil. I’m not saying bad things don’t happen, they can, but I also think people play things up for “Woo-credibility.” Like, come on, just let people experiment, and let people practice. I think witchcraft is a lot more fluid and open than some people would like it to be, but that’s also sort of the beauty of it too.

Hi there. I first heard your voice on podcast for Seeking Witchcraft, I really love listening to it and you stood out for sure. I like the way you communicate; it's very clear. I will continue to explore your channel!